I hadn't gone wandering/wondering for a while, but I was put on the path again—this time memory lane—after reading a piece in Granta issue 126: Do You Remember? In "The Memory Box, Olivia Laing writes about her time in New York researching David Wojnarowicz. While working in his archives at NYU's Fales Library, she was staying at a place where her "room was on the corner of West 43rd Street and 8th Avenue, on the tenth floor of what once had been the Times Square Hotel."
Well that got my own remembering going, since on my only childhood real visit to New York (not counting seeing my grandmother prior to embarking to Germany in 1956 and just after disembarking in 1959), we had stayed at the Times Square Motor Hotel, which I assumed to be the same building. In her article, Laing goes on to write some more about how this building went from "glamour to a faded gentility."
Among other things, she says that the "Times Square Hotel was at the time in the third of its incarnations, and its history encapsulated the neighbourhood's uneasy accommodations between capital and enterprise, poverty and need." I had not been acquainted with any of the history a building which had been "[b]uilt like an art deco liner, with fifteen storeys and a marble ballroom," so it seemed only appropriate after reading about memory and persistence of objects to make my own wandering again—first to the basement to find the faded stationery shown above, and then to the Internet.
While it was not my first stop on the information highway, I do want to note up front that Wikipedia was particularly short on this subject (although I will probably add onto it after finishing this blog!), saying only that the hotel was in New York City and "was built in 1922 and was added to the National Register of Historic Places on May 4, 1995."
My initial Google search for the "Times Square Hotel" was very unsatisfying, only serving to yield a multitude of links to various hotels in the Times Square area. Thus, on to "Times Square Motor Hotel." The first hit there was to another round of time and memory games. In this instance, New York, You've Changed: Taxi Driver, a Wired New York thread about the 1976 movie "Taxi Driver," in which we follow Travis Bickle cruising through Times Square, but updating what we saw with what we would see now.
Thus, we are told that "we get a glimpse of the sign for the old Times Square Motor Hotel (free parking!)," followed by a reference to how, in 1988, the city "announced [its] intention to buy the hotel and use it as a residence for the homeless and as the site of a work-release program for jail inmates," but then the statement that "Times have changed since 1988: a Westin Hotel is now on the site." Luckily, one commentator corrects that and lets us know (as we already do) that "The Times Square Motor Hotel building still exists as a homeless shelter... I believe the building is landmarked."
Next up are several images of the Hotel from various sites selling old postcards. These are nice to have, and they clearly show the name of the hotel as "Times Square Motor Hotel" running down the side of corner.
Next up on Google are articles from the old grey lady herself, the New York Times, telling me about some more recent history. On November 17, 1987, in "New York City Seeks to Acquire Times Sq. Hotel," she writes how the Koch administration was seeking to purchase the Times Square Motor Hotel "as a long-term residence for the homeless, and as the site of a work-release program for New York City jail inmates." Next, on January 3, 1988, in "Covenant House Sells a Times Square Hotel," we are told that "Covenant House, the shelter for runaway youths that hoped to build its endowment when it bought the Times Square Motor Hotel on West 43d Street three years ago, has sold the hotel to the New York International Hostel Corporation after operating it at a loss."
Sticking with the Times (but showing up on search for "1922 times square hotel," I came up with an article from December 1, 2001 ("Perspectives: Housing the Dependent; Times Square Hotel as the Biggest S.R.O."), detailing the most recent metamorphosis of the building (to the one that Laing was staying in): "Now the partially occupied hotel is in the midst of reconstruction into a permanent residence for low-income single adults, including many dependent on a high level of social services." In telling about its transition to ownership by Common Ground, the story recounts that the hotel was "built in 1922 as a tourist hotel for men, with 1,000 rooms," and it concludes the 1988 saga by telling us that "[t]he hostel company went into bankruptcy, Covenant House defaulted on its mortgage (from Charles Keating's Lincoln Savings & Loan), and the property fell into the hands of the first mortgagee." Linking to the time period I stayed there is refers to the "partnership headed by Arthur Schwebel, who ran the building from 1962 to 1981." [Subsequently, I also found a link to the historical marker shown above, which credits Schwebel with helping the ultimate transformation of the building.]
Getting closer to a complete chain of ownership, without too many searches, but nothing about the name I knew. So back to Google, and one of the next hits is to an ashtray, which can be mine for a mere $129. The ashtray seller wants to provide some context and content, so now I find out for the first time that "The place was briefly named for its builder, Henry Clama, who is honored by a plaque at the entrance. Renamed the Times Square Motor Hotel in 1963, the huge hostelry has had a checkered past, once a notorious welfare hotel. It has been redeveloped the largest supportive housing facility in the nation." So, I now have hints that it may have a name other than the Times Square Hotel at the very beginning, and that (connecting my dots) Arthur Schwebel was there for the name change adding in "Motor"! Back to the Internet.
Well, "Henry Clama" was a nogo--no hits on any search engine. Time to go off the superhighway and do old-fashioned research, in this case hitting the New York Times archives with my library card ... so it turns out that I should have been looking for "Henry Claman" instead, plus I get all my other questions answered. As for Henry Claman, Google lets me discover that the ashtray had (mis)quoted Randall Gabrielan"s book Times Square and 42nd Street in Vintage Postcards (Postcard History). It also brought my to a website where I found the historical marker mentioned in that book. It also led me to the first of a "Claman Hotel," in this case some archive document in which it is listed among prominent buildings equipped with an "American Sash Chains" with "Gronenberg & Leuchtag, Architects Henry Claman, Builder." Finally, it led me to:
The Bruner Foundation, the Rudy Bruner Award for Urban Excellence, and most significantly, the 1997 Gold Medal Award given to the Common Ground's Times Square Project. In providing a brief history of the building the Foundation writes: "It changed management and took the name of The Times Square Hotel in 1923, with one floor reserved for women." Furthermore, it writes: "At one point in the 1960s it was known as The Times Square Motor Hotel."! Here, however, I ran aground and resorted to my archival search again, and the New York Times was more obliging than the Internet.
On the left are the headlines from a story from the March 18, 1920 issue ("PLAN NEW $2,500,000 TIMES SQUARE HOTEL: Will Replace Old Buildings at Corner of Eighth Avenue and Forty-third Street."), detailing the start of the project. On the right is a story from August 17, 1963 ("The Times Square Hotel Puts 'Motor' In Its Name") saying that Arthur Shwebel changed the name "because there was a need for moderately priced hotel accommodations with free parking."Well that got my own remembering going, since on my only childhood real visit to New York (not counting seeing my grandmother prior to embarking to Germany in 1956 and just after disembarking in 1959), we had stayed at the Times Square Motor Hotel, which I assumed to be the same building. In her article, Laing goes on to write some more about how this building went from "glamour to a faded gentility."
Among other things, she says that the "Times Square Hotel was at the time in the third of its incarnations, and its history encapsulated the neighbourhood's uneasy accommodations between capital and enterprise, poverty and need." I had not been acquainted with any of the history a building which had been "[b]uilt like an art deco liner, with fifteen storeys and a marble ballroom," so it seemed only appropriate after reading about memory and persistence of objects to make my own wandering again—first to the basement to find the faded stationery shown above, and then to the Internet.
While it was not my first stop on the information highway, I do want to note up front that Wikipedia was particularly short on this subject (although I will probably add onto it after finishing this blog!), saying only that the hotel was in New York City and "was built in 1922 and was added to the National Register of Historic Places on May 4, 1995."
My initial Google search for the "Times Square Hotel" was very unsatisfying, only serving to yield a multitude of links to various hotels in the Times Square area. Thus, on to "Times Square Motor Hotel." The first hit there was to another round of time and memory games. In this instance, New York, You've Changed: Taxi Driver, a Wired New York thread about the 1976 movie "Taxi Driver," in which we follow Travis Bickle cruising through Times Square, but updating what we saw with what we would see now.
Thus, we are told that "we get a glimpse of the sign for the old Times Square Motor Hotel (free parking!)," followed by a reference to how, in 1988, the city "announced [its] intention to buy the hotel and use it as a residence for the homeless and as the site of a work-release program for jail inmates," but then the statement that "Times have changed since 1988: a Westin Hotel is now on the site." Luckily, one commentator corrects that and lets us know (as we already do) that "The Times Square Motor Hotel building still exists as a homeless shelter... I believe the building is landmarked."
Next up are several images of the Hotel from various sites selling old postcards. These are nice to have, and they clearly show the name of the hotel as "Times Square Motor Hotel" running down the side of corner.
Next up on Google are articles from the old grey lady herself, the New York Times, telling me about some more recent history. On November 17, 1987, in "New York City Seeks to Acquire Times Sq. Hotel," she writes how the Koch administration was seeking to purchase the Times Square Motor Hotel "as a long-term residence for the homeless, and as the site of a work-release program for New York City jail inmates." Next, on January 3, 1988, in "Covenant House Sells a Times Square Hotel," we are told that "Covenant House, the shelter for runaway youths that hoped to build its endowment when it bought the Times Square Motor Hotel on West 43d Street three years ago, has sold the hotel to the New York International Hostel Corporation after operating it at a loss."
Sticking with the Times (but showing up on search for "1922 times square hotel," I came up with an article from December 1, 2001 ("Perspectives: Housing the Dependent; Times Square Hotel as the Biggest S.R.O."), detailing the most recent metamorphosis of the building (to the one that Laing was staying in): "Now the partially occupied hotel is in the midst of reconstruction into a permanent residence for low-income single adults, including many dependent on a high level of social services." In telling about its transition to ownership by Common Ground, the story recounts that the hotel was "built in 1922 as a tourist hotel for men, with 1,000 rooms," and it concludes the 1988 saga by telling us that "[t]he hostel company went into bankruptcy, Covenant House defaulted on its mortgage (from Charles Keating's Lincoln Savings & Loan), and the property fell into the hands of the first mortgagee." Linking to the time period I stayed there is refers to the "partnership headed by Arthur Schwebel, who ran the building from 1962 to 1981." [Subsequently, I also found a link to the historical marker shown above, which credits Schwebel with helping the ultimate transformation of the building.]
Getting closer to a complete chain of ownership, without too many searches, but nothing about the name I knew. So back to Google, and one of the next hits is to an ashtray, which can be mine for a mere $129. The ashtray seller wants to provide some context and content, so now I find out for the first time that "The place was briefly named for its builder, Henry Clama, who is honored by a plaque at the entrance. Renamed the Times Square Motor Hotel in 1963, the huge hostelry has had a checkered past, once a notorious welfare hotel. It has been redeveloped the largest supportive housing facility in the nation." So, I now have hints that it may have a name other than the Times Square Hotel at the very beginning, and that (connecting my dots) Arthur Schwebel was there for the name change adding in "Motor"! Back to the Internet.
Well, "Henry Clama" was a nogo--no hits on any search engine. Time to go off the superhighway and do old-fashioned research, in this case hitting the New York Times archives with my library card ... so it turns out that I should have been looking for "Henry Claman" instead, plus I get all my other questions answered. As for Henry Claman, Google lets me discover that the ashtray had (mis)quoted Randall Gabrielan"s book Times Square and 42nd Street in Vintage Postcards (Postcard History). It also brought my to a website where I found the historical marker mentioned in that book. It also led me to the first of a "Claman Hotel," in this case some archive document in which it is listed among prominent buildings equipped with an "American Sash Chains" with "Gronenberg & Leuchtag, Architects Henry Claman, Builder." Finally, it led me to:
The Bruner Foundation, the Rudy Bruner Award for Urban Excellence, and most significantly, the 1997 Gold Medal Award given to the Common Ground's Times Square Project. In providing a brief history of the building the Foundation writes: "It changed management and took the name of The Times Square Hotel in 1923, with one floor reserved for women." Furthermore, it writes: "At one point in the 1960s it was known as The Times Square Motor Hotel."! Here, however, I ran aground and resorted to my archival search again, and the New York Times was more obliging than the Internet.
I have no memory of Dad parking the car, but I suspect that free parking in Manhattan, even in 1964, would have been a draw for him in taking us to the city for a couple days. So, there you have it a lot of wandering and wondering, and there is probably more that one could do, but I have gone back and gone on much longer than I had planned to. The only thing missing is a photo or two that I took during our trip in 1964, which may yet be added below, but first I have to find them. I don't have the same "Memory Box" as the one put together by David Wojnarowicz and looked at, and written about, by Olivia Laing.
ADDENDUM: In checking on Google indexing of this blog post, I entered "Times Square Motor Hotel," which I thought I had done before, but this time I had a wonderful first hit: A New York Times travel item with misinformation, but several great comments from people who had stayed at the hotel at various times from the 1960's to 1980's.
Soo, is there anything left of the Times Square Motor Hotel? I'm visiting NYC in a few weeks and I'd love to see it. As far as I understand, it is closed now, because it isn't bookable on Hotel deals in NYC but maybe I can just walk and see it, even if just from the outside.
ReplyDeleteI don't think it exist anymore. It was sold long time ago and it was turned for a period of time as a house of the mentally ill. However you can find tons of hotels that are retro style if you want to bring the old memories back. Try out The Jane hotel. I booked it from reservationcounter and it was quite an experience to stay there.
ReplyDeleteI stayed there for a month in 1979 when I moved to NYC and could not afford something better. As best I recollect it was around $300 for a month. I visited a friend today who is staying in the neighborhood and his room was nearly $300 for the night. Back then it had clearly seen better days as had the surrounding area. It was very Travis Bickle. Often when I would get on the elevator, there were also women of the night on as well either living there or going for business but I am not sure which. I used to lay awake at night listening to the large water bugs clack across the linoleum floor. My next door neighbor was a huge woman who left her door open all the time and would always yell out greetings to me when I walked by. Eventually we began talking and she turned out to be very nice but at night she would send me out to get her food - usually from a nearby Arthur Treacher's. Pretty much everything about the area is completely different now.
ReplyDeleteI love this recollection! You should write more about your experiences back then!
DeleteStayed there for one night in 1982 for $55 per night . Very run down.
ReplyDelete1969....first time in NYC, arrived the Times Square Motor Hotel about 4:30am and found a woman at counter saying she’d beeen mugged on the elevator. But stayed and spent time at the topless bar connected to the hotel (we were 18). They also had some ‘welcome wagon’ women hanging around outside the hotel, which we did avoid. A full dose of NYC.
ReplyDeleteWhat was the name of the bar please?
DeleteI remember it well - indeed the Times Square Motor Hotel - I being 11 years old and attending a Jehovah's Witness convention at Yankee Stadium, having driven there from southern ontario with my parents. It was one room with two double beds - we shared a bathroom and a shower down the hall. My parents left my brother an i for a few hours when they went down to check out times square..we were told not to come out of our room which we did of course, going down to the lobby area, we had some change to buy candy. I am sure that was the first time my parents stayed in a "hotel" other than on their honeymoon - and it certainly was my first time --- it was a big deal -- such a shame it was for that JW convention - and we are all still waiting for armageddon to come that was supposed to arrive in 1975 :)
ReplyDeleteand to clarify that was in August 1963.
ReplyDeleteI stayed there with my wife and young family in March 1977. Our taxi driver, taking us from the airport, asked where we were staying and after a while stated "If I was you I would not go out at night in that area." After a pause he continued "In fact I would not go out during the day either." The hotel was actually not too bad, but we were a bit concerned as to whether the red marks on the wall were a result of violence or from a discarded piza. We returned to the airport in a helicopter which took of from the top of the Pan Am building. This same helicopter crashed, killing pilot and pedestrians when it fell off the top of the same building three weeks later. Two days afterwards we returned home to the UK, safely!
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